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#6421 – Switching from MijoSEF to sh404SEF

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Wednesday, 24 May 2017 12:54 UTC
arkofhope
Our sites have had MijoSEF but they are having trouble with the new Joomla upgrade and are apparently not supporting the product. I think we will switch to yours but what worries should I have of just removing theirs and adding sh404sef?
Is there a reason I should worry that the urls would suddenly change and the site start throwing mass numbers of broken links or changed urls?
 
Wednesday, 24 May 2017 13:00 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi Blair,

This is a valid concern. It mostly depends on your type of content. If only Joomla articles and categories, you should be able to recreate the same URLs. Note that we build URLs using categories and articles title/aliases, not with menu title as Joomla does (and possibly Mijo, I don't know).

I would strongly suggest that you setup a test site, even if only on your local machine, using Akeeba Backup for instance, and then do the switch on that copy. That way you do not risk anything.

Rgds
 
Wednesday, 24 May 2017 15:31 UTC
arkofhope
Do you have a migrate URL's option anything like MijoSEF offered here to import url's created by sh404sef?
https://miwisoft.com/support/docs/mijosef/how-to/how-to-migrate-from-sh404sef
 
Wednesday, 24 May 2017 15:32 UTC
arkofhope
In case it won't let you see the page it says this:

To migrate from sh404SEF to MijoSEF you should follow these steps:

1. Go to sh404SEF control panel
2. Click on Import/Export URLS button
3. Click on Export redirections in the opened page
4. Go to MijoSEF Control Panel
5. Click on Restore / Migrate button
6. Select the file you got from sh404SEF extportation, the file name should be sh404SEF_sef_urls

That's all, wellcome to MijoSEF.
 
Wednesday, 24 May 2017 15:50 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi

Nope, sorry we do not have such feature.

Rgds
 
Wednesday, 24 May 2017 20:34 UTC
arkofhope
Shoot. OK so how about if I;

#1 make a list of every page on our website and copy down every url. that mijosef had helped create.
#2 Then I remove mijosef from my site.
#3 Then I upload SH404SEF to our site
#4 Then when I manually insert the previously created SEF URL into SH404SEF in its appropriate place (as I figure out which each one needs to be).

I will need to do this, or whatever solution will work, on 5 live sites. I have to find a solution because mijosef is breaking the ability to upgrade to Joomla 3.7.x. At this point the only way I can keep my one site that I did upgrade to Joomla 3.7.x live is to disable mijosef and they are not responding at all. :-(

The solution you and I come up with will become a boom to everyone else that still have mijosef or acesef on their sites. So if you have other suggestions please help me figure them out.

Blair
 
Thursday, 25 May 2017 16:26 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi

This seems to me a large piece of work though, are you sure Mijosef are not going to update? that's rather surprising.
Other than that, and not knowing the export features available in MijoSef, I would say you are about right. The only thing you can improve about is #4: links are created automatically, as visitors browse the site. So after you install sh404SEF, go visit your site home page: all links on that page will be created. Then browse the other pages,starting from the home page, so that all other liks on those other pages are created as well. This obviously can be automated by using an online sitemap make r( not a joomla extension) or even better a broken links checker tool.

Once all links have been created, then it becomes a matter of altering the SEF URLs (from the URL manager) that do not match between the 2 sites. It should be simpler.

I strongly encourage you to validate the full workflow from start to end on a limited number of links, to be sure all is working as expected.

Rgds
 
Wednesday, 31 May 2017 14:03 UTC
arkofhope
Hi. I wish that were the case that MijoSEF would eventually take care of an update but three weeks later they have still not responded to the problem, or our support ticket so I have no other options.

Your solution mentioned sounds easier. If any links have changed is there a redirect that I look for to tell it to point back to the original link instead? (I have many auto tweets out and links on other sites that will be broken unless I do that.)

Thanks! Blair
 
Wednesday, 31 May 2017 14:14 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi

Not sure I follow you: if you apply what I mentioned, then you will manually modify the links created by sh404SEF so that they match the old ones, and so there is no need for redirects.

If you do not wish to manually modified all the links that have changed (maybe you can settle for only the most common ones), you can always add a redirect from the old to the new, but that requires the same amoutn of work as just customizing the URL, so I don't think it makes sense.

Other interesting things to do:

- wait for the 404s to happen (on the old links): they will be listed in the 404 manager page, and from there you can decide to redirect them to an existing, new SEF URL
- enable the "Try to auto-redirect 404s" feature under the "Error page" tab of configuration: sh404SEF will try to redirect a 404 to an existing URL that looks like it. So if your URLs have not changed a lot, that might be a good solution as well.

Rgds
 
Thursday, 01 June 2017 16:37 UTC
arkofhope
Have successfully replaced now defunct and unsupported MijoSEF with SH404SEF on our 3 largest sites. Thanks for all of your pre-purchase support and input.
I chose to do the extra work so we could copy and replace all of our meta-titles (used by Twitter), Meta-Descriptions and MetaTags. These had all been inserted into MijoSEF before.
The Meta-Titles I will add back into the titles section within SH404SEF. The descriptions and MetaTags I guess I can add into either each Joomla article OR into SH404SEF areas. Do you suggest one over the other? Or both for any reason?
 
Friday, 02 June 2017 14:15 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi

It depends a bit on your workflow: using sh404SEF, you can enter them centrally, or even maybe massage them in Excel (export from MijoSEF maybe?) and re-attach them to the new URLs. Setting them up in each article is simpler, but may be longer.

I would suggest you keep this discussion on the support helpdesk now. I am interested to learn more about your use case, and measure how much work vs benefit is involved in makin an importer.

Rgds
 
Friday, 02 June 2017 22:15 UTC
arkofhope
Done. I submitted 2 tickets. Thank you
 
Monday, 05 June 2017 09:52 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi

Good, taking over in support now.

Rdgs
 
Thursday, 22 June 2017 08:31 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi

This is an update to let you know that due to rising demand, we have now added an Importer for URLs, meta data and redirects for both JoomSEF and MijoSEF. You can see how it workson its documentation page here.

Best regards
 
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