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#6299 – Feature Request

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Monday, 25 April 2016 17:19 UTC
Twincarb
Would it be possible to have an extra button to effectively hide entries in SH404SEF so items which are real 404 because the article is no longer there can be removed from the list of 404 pages.
I guess that a further button to show hidden 404 requests would go hand in hand, almost a published - unpublished option

Thanks in advance

Dave
 
Monday, 25 April 2016 17:41 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi

Not sure I understand. Which 404s do you want to hide exactly?

Rgds
 
Monday, 25 April 2016 19:30 UTC
Twincarb
Hi

The 404's that I don't want to redirect, from my understanding I should only redirect 404 pages if the page they refer to has moved. If a page is no longer it should return a 410 or 404.

For example one of my IP address used to have a site selling pet treats, somewhere the domain name still points to the old IP my new one. Because the old dog domain pages mean nothing to me I don't want to see them, I can delete them but a day later and many are back again having been trawled by crappy bots.

I am happy for them to hit a 404 page as after a while they would drop off, rather than adding a long list to a .htaccess file.

I hope I have explained it a bit better now :)
 
Thursday, 28 April 2016 09:57 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi

If a page is no longer it should return a 410 or 404.
We always return a 404 code for 404 pages.

I am afraid I'm still confused. How are we supposed to recognize those URLs that you want to hide from those that you want to show?

Rgds
 
Thursday, 28 April 2016 10:49 UTC
Twincarb
Yes a 404 page is returned is expected.

I have one site which has over 1000 pages which are 404 and as such I don't want to serve any other page.

The problem with the current set up is I can't "hide" or "accept" those 1000 which would allow me to easily see the pages that I want to redirect.

While I can apply a filter to narrow down the results this only works if I know what I am looking for. I only want to see those results once and be able to hide them from being shown permanently.

I could delete them but they will return again the next time they are attempted to be crawled, I could manually add each page to the .htaccess but that's defeating the point of SH404SEF.
 
Thursday, 28 April 2016 16:24 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi

The problem with the current set up is I can't "hide" or "accept" those 1000 which would allow me to easily see the pages that I want to redirect.
Well, clicking on them to marked them "read" would be rather tedious, but I certainly doable. My only concern is that if you were to hide some URLs, then you would not be informed of their hit count, which is actually the only thing that really matters. In other words, you could actually want to redirect a page, even if it's actually gone, if it gets a lot of traffic - depending on the type of traffic of course. Things are not as clear cut as "redirect only if page has moved"
I could manually add each page to the .htaccess but that's defeating the point of SH404SEF.
Why would you do that? or rather what would you in the .htaccess? return a 404 directly from there?
 
Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:08 UTC
Twincarb
I agree doing them one by one would be a tedious task, the examples that I have happen to have a structure which mainly doesn't match the structure on my site which would allow for a batch process to be run in the same way as batches can be deleted at present.

At present from the control panel it shows "Total 404" which would show the true number, A box next to it could then show either "Ignored Total" or "Awaiting Review" Which would allow the page hits to be monitored. (Although one more box to click for the admin)

I see what you mean about redirecting a page that gets lots of page hits but doesn't exist and wanting to point it to somewhere else. From my limited knowledge I thought Google disapproved of linking to what it classes as an irrelevant page? I guess it's not a problem if it is a human that's being redirected however I also believed that if google saw a redirect which lead to people exiting quickly it meant the value of it got downgraded in google search.

My logic for using .htaccess to block the urls before they hit sh404sef was while not considering monitoring the pages with the largest hit counts. I have only worked on the basis of redirecting url's when the page structure has changed (I inherited the site in question which had evolved from J1.? I took over when it was at J2.5.x and we have changed the structure several times! am hoping it stays the same now!

Regards
Dave
 
Friday, 29 April 2016 08:06 UTC
wb_weeblr
Hi

. From my limited knowledge I thought Google disapproved of linking to what it classes as an irrelevant page? I guess it's not a problem if it is a human that's being redirected however I also believed that if google saw a redirect which lead to people exiting quickly it meant the value of it got downgraded in google search.
You may be taking this a bit too strictly. As with all things SEO, we should not forget that the site we build are for the satisfaction of our visitors, not Google. So if actual visitors are very often faced with a 404 (because some web site has a link to an article or products you removed for instance), then you should probably do something about it. Your visitors are more important. Also a redirect does not "lead people to exit quickly", not sure what you mean by that. A 404 certainly do, unless you provide valuable information to the user to find another interesting page.

A redirect won't lead Google to downgrade your page. What it will do, if you redirect to an unrelated page, is that you will loose the SEO benefits, ranking signals that the old page may have had. That makes sense, as the page is gone, right? and the new, unrelated page should not inherit the ranking signals of the the old page, because it is, well, unrelated.

Rgds
 
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