#8570 – No CWV, auto-metadescription and custom shema fields

Hi

First a quick note that we can only provide support in English on this helpdesk: 

- if in French, I'm the only one who can reply, which means extended delay

- we clean many tickets of private information to make them available to the public, and due to this, user can find very useful information straight from Google.

Thanks for your understanding. As for your message:

Dans la doc c'est mentionné que 4Seo ne fait que lire les data des users : je dois donc attendre que des users (utilisant chrome) parcours le site pour envoyer ces data à Google ? Et j'imagine que si je test les pages avec l'outil de Google cela alimentera aussi cette bdd ?

There is no relationship between 4SEO and Google. 4SEO measures Core Web Vitals from the real users on your site. Google - of course - does their own measurements (through the Chrome UX program) and they may have data available at a different pace than we do.

In most cases, Google will not have actual measurements for all pages and extrapolates data from the few URLs they have to other pages on the site.

4SEO will measure all pages visited, in accordance with its settings Pages between measurements and Minutes between measurements to avoid overloading the server. So indeed, there can only be CWV measurements for pages that have been actually visited, and it may need several visits dependings on the settings you are using.

Also, no mesurement can take place on bounces. A user has to arrive on a page and click to another page, or hit the back button. If they close their browser, measurement is not sent.

The only other condition to have CWV is of course that the page has been analyzed and is listed on the Pages page.

I have checked the home page of the site and can confirm that the measurement code is present on the page.

Soit je n'ai pas compris, soit j'ai raté qque chose. J'avais compris qu'en cas de non-remplissage de la meta-description dans Joomla! (articles etc) 4Seo en crée une à partir du contenu. J'ai dû rater à quel moment cette balise est créée : est-ce au moment de la génération de la page que4Seo fait le taf ou est-ce 4Seo va alimenter le champs de Joomla en utilisant le "content" de l'article. 

As with pretty much everything in 4SEO, it's done when the page is analyzed. This is a background process, which means we can take time to do a lot of processing without slowing down the website itself.

est-ce 4Seo va alimenter le champs de Joomla en utilisant le "content" de l'article.

4SEO n'alimente pas les champs Joomla due to how Joomla routing works (we can't reliably match a URL to an article).

En fait je pensais trouver un bouton "générer la meta depuis le content" dans le détail de la "page" dans 4Seo pour générer un premer jet modifiable à la main pour affuter le tout.

There is no need for a button, it's happening automatically and you can see all meta data:

- in the admin, from the Pages page

- on the frontend, directly on the page itself with 4SEO frontend meta data modification feature.

Structured data: Je pensais que l'on pourrait passer en mode "manuel" pour:

You can create fully manual rules, or mix automatic and manual values as you see fit. You can even do that programmatically with filters if you have some development capabilities. 

4SEO goal is absolutely to be as automated as possible - while giving you full control when needed.

notamment les custom fields

Custom fields usage has not been implemented yet, altough it's of course on the roadmap. The reason is rather simple: extremely few people use them, and so I gave them a lower priority over other things. It will happen, just not right now. To put things in perspective, 4SEO was released in june 2021. It now has a few hundred users and one person asked for custom fields usage back in november.

You are the second one.

->ne pas utiliser certaine des champs du schéma car le mode auto va sélectionner ce qui l'arrange et parfois/souvent n'importe quoi. Hors je préfèrerais un schema peu remplit mais bien remplis que tout rempli mais avec des data non conforme.

That should not happen. Each SD type has validation rules and if we do not have what we think is proper data, we actually do not output it.

Yes, custom fields are going to be an improvement in terms of giving your more control, but if you see 4SEO using incorrect data - at least with regular Joomla content, 3rd-party extensions are another story, please report that on the helpdesk. Or create a rule to fix the problem, which is the standard way to go.

Best regards

Yannick Gaultier

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